I am in the Marine Reserves. I had some family problems through my fiancee pregnancy and other issues, and I missed some drills (11). The are wanting to give me and OTH discharge for unsatisfactory performance. Is that extremely bad. They wont even listen to my case. They see it there way and no other way. My question is, will this prevent me from being employed in the future ? I have a real good job now in Engineering. Will I be able to get a security clearance if my position moves to different work that requires a clearance ? Deep down I know they are giving me a totally wrong characterization of discharge. What do you advise ?

LAST DECEMBER 2003 I WAS ARRESTED IN THE TOWN THAT I WAS STATIONED BECAUSE OF A WARRANT FOR MY ARREST. I WAS TAKEN TO THE CITY JAIL. DURING MY BOOKING PROCESS THE DEPUTY ASKED ME IF I WAS IN THE MILITARY AND ASKED WHAT BOAT I WAS STATIONED ON. I TOLD HIM AND HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO CONTACT THEM TO LET MY CHAIN OF COMMAND KNOW WHERE I WAS SO THEY WOULDN'T CONSIDER MY AS BEING ( U.A.) A FEW HOURS LATER I WAS GIVEN A BOND AND WAS HELD IN JAIL UNTIL THE MILITARY CAME TO TAKE ME BACK INTO THEIR CUSTODY. A FEW DAYS PASSED AND I WAS STILL NOT IN MILITARY CONTROL SO I DECIDED THAT I BETTER CALL MY FATHER AND TELL HIM WHAT HAPPENED SO HE COULD TRY TO CONTACT MY BOAT AND INFO THEM OF WHAT HAPPENED. HE CONTACTED MY DIVISION OFFICER AND MY DIVO TOLD MY FATHER THAT I WAS U.A. AND WOULD BE SENT TO THE BRIG. ABOUT AN HOUR LATER AFTER I CALLED MY FATHER TWO PETTY OFFICERS FROM MY DIVISION CAME TO THE JAIL TO PICK ME UP AND TAKE ME BACK TO MY BOAT. I WAS LATER SENT TO THE BRIG AND RECEIVED AND " OTHER THAN HONORABLE " DISCHARGE IN LIEU OF COURT MARTIAL. I WAS GIVEN A FUCKING O.T.H. BECAUSE THE JAIL FAILED TO CONTACT MY SHIP AND INFORM THEM OF WHAT HAPPENED. THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT THE SYSTEM IS FUCKED.

try to get into the national guard,they sometimes accept people with a waiver.thats what i did i was in a similar situation

here is my predicament, i am currently serving active duty in the coast guard, i have a spot free record, excellent marks and all that. recently while investigating a guy that used to be stationed here. they heard from a "source" that over nine months ago that the guy i spoke of before, a few other members, as well as myself smoked a joint. everyone involved was seperately question by the good ole cgis individually. i, like a dumbass admitted to it, but everyone else denied it. i didn't want to rat out anyone so i didn't. cgis used the good cop, bad cop method of interrogating me for 3 hours and told me i would be in levenworth if they found out i lied to them so i told the truth. now, i am the only one on my way to getting an o-t-h general discharge. i have never failed a drug test or for that matter been in any trouble what so ever. can anybody out there give me any advice at all?

I got an other than honorable discharge for minor disciplinary actions, none of which were criminal. My offenses included being an hour late to formation twice for sleeping in, disrespect, and losing my I.D. card in the filipines. I waived my admin board, and have regretted it ever since. I am now an attorney, and have my own law firm. An OTH will not slow you down as long as you have drive, and take advantage of educational opportunities, but if you want a government job you are screwed. As I said, I am an attorney which shows that anybody can succeed. Paul Newman got Bad Conduct, and I believe Walt Disney go either a OTH or bad conuct. These discharges did not affect these guys or me. In fact when you do succeed the OTH makes a good conversation piece because people Know You are a good person, and it is a good war story in its self. If I had it to do over, I would certainly not waive the admin board, but by the same token I have achieved more than I ever thought, and I can thank the Marines for this because it caused me to be a much more driven person for the discipline it instilled in me.

I just received a letter from the Navy Yard stating that my OTH stands and this despite me making a personal appearance last month so now I can't get a position as a cop like I wanted. What do I do now?????

Sounds like u all are a bunch nasty little shitbags. Too bad they didnt shoot u all in the brain housing group, and save us all the time and effort of dealing with you. Semper Fi assholes!

Thats right Sgt. Riley, if you don't agree with something there are only 2 options - wish it death or kill it.

Looks like someone did lose something in the brain housing group after all, you asshole.

I'm in the navy on restriction and recieving a OTH. the truth is I'm more worried about paying rent than anything else. I popped on a piss test. I'm not worried about the OTH. It's true I can't be a cop and make shitty money and deal with the scum of the earth but so what. there is pretty much alot of scum in the navy. I also can't take out a farmers loan. I know that I served honorably. it's my chain that was un honorable. anyone can make it in this world if they are creative, and willing to take the bad with the good. no need to give up as I said I'm not too terribly worried. the navy was holding me back more than anything.

In 1994, I was on my second enlistment, the first was honorable, I was introduced to meth, and the "benefits" of the sexual side effects. Needless to say, as soon as the Navy found out, I was on my way out the door with an OTH! Yet there was no offer of help, no second chance, and they didn't seem to care that I was a vet. I still get my vet services, but what good does that do when my honor is down the drain. I still feel like I want to serve my country, but I feel betrayed. Does anybody know how to get an upgraded discharge? I really do want to reenlist so I can fill the emptiness in my life. My family is behind me, and I know my country needs me. If anyone can help me out with some info, I would be very gratefull. You can reach me @ daren1putts@hotmail.com

I managed to secure a medical discharge from the navy, and I have less than two weeks left to go :0 :). No more low pay, dealing with beligerant assholes, mindless beurocracy. And, I'm going to get vocational rehabilitation from the va, which is by far a better college program than the gi bil-I guess thats worth a year and a half of bullshit. I too was tempted to burn a j, or go ua to put an end to this nightmare. I'm glad I worked the system to my advantage, making sure I got a return on my investment. If anyone is thinking of jumping ship, make sure you know all your options, there may be a legit way out for you.

Well, whine time here.

Joined for my father, he died, got an AGR job before then. Got an offer to go to a place, I later found was a hell hole, unless you love to hunt, fish, drunk and "phuck", but I am not a hunting/fishing type and come from a family of alcoholics with commitment problems. Quickly found out I was held to a higher standard than the local natives, and especially the female ones, who far as I can tell was doing someone in the BN HQ, finally after being forced out of the AGR program, a buddy of mine and fellow AGR, shot himself sadly a good shot, they called it murder. I stayed in, even after the screwed me out of a bonus, demoted me, promoted me, sent me to the wrong school (PLDC for M-day not AGRs), did not promote me, forced me to be the driver for the BN after being forced out of the AGR program, and now, after I finally said enough, 20 years to late, they was to give me an IRR but now they changes it to a OTH, what the heck, figures I was making some looks into going USAR or just stay IRR and work part time.

So if you want to come to Alaska and be an AK ARNG AGR, stay in Anchorage, if they offer you a "Career Progression Tour" mention my name and NO BLOODY WAY, its a dodge to get you to go to the villages and NEVER COME BACK (Exile). Me, still trying to figure out of it was some SGMs GF I spent a weekend with, or they just needed a body, yes others than 11B know about being just a warm body to fit a hole.

PS: Went 11B after I got out of the AGR Program, went less to the field than as a Clerk in the S3 or HHC when AGR.. Why, cause I was male, and ambulatory. The ladies would never stay more than maybe a day, that is the Staff Bunnies. The Medics would come out and stay. SG T Annie Sherman would stay out as well, so this is not a hit on women, but a hit of snotty Staff bunnies, worse than Barracks Bunnies, you can at least get the Barracks ones 86ed.

Nome, a warrant officer gave up his warrant to get out of it.
A SGT took a school and NEVER CAME BACK.
A SPC shot himself to get out of things.
Me, I just resigned after they offered me ANOTHER HELL HOLE. I know nothing major, just now days, gave up drinking, 9 years sober, finally getting back to trusting women fully (women play a lot), and my life back together, and forget dead friends, like the one who I picked up while driving ambulance, was the OMS chief, dead from concussion, and likely to much alcohol.

Duty, Honor, Country, only matters to those who care, the State HQ in Alaska does not give a shit about anyone but them selves and their immediate friends. They need to have a FORCED program of moving AGR/Techs out of Anchorage to the villages, so they do not build their little kingdoms like they do now.

Politics is a Bitch.

Mike Adams
Alaska

okay Ive read this topic for about an hour, startin to not even register what im reading anymore. I fucked up, poped on a piss test. got an oth jan 06. total enlistment 4yrs4months. results came back from the piss test 1 day before I was set to go on terminal leave.
I want to get a job as a body gaurd, and have to give fbi finger prints to even go threw the level I-IV courses to become a certified security officer. So If I say I never was in the Marines, I should be good? Please reply to this topic if u have any info. I will never regret joining the corps it changed me forever and I will always remember those times while active, all the way to the grave...............