I too got fucked by the joys of military justice. I never even made it past "A" School. I went up to Captains Mast in line with a real Motley Crew. We had this guy SKSA Olivieri, goin up for disrespecting some third class bitch, PNSA McQuillin goin up for goin UA, and SKSN Vargas up for UA cuz he was in jail for a DUI. I was up for eating my roommates fruit loops and he reported me.

Justin McQuillin got 15/15
Rick Vargas got 15/15
Tim Olivieri got his thing dismissed before ever standin before the man and walked off with 40 hours EMI.

But for fucking fruit loops I got 45/45, half pay for 2 months, busted to E-1 and an AdSep. Apparently I'm a fuckup and prejudicial to good order and discipline meanwhile the guy who goes UA walks off, now he's PN3 McQuillin, the guy who tells a petty officer to fuck off is now SK3 Olivieri, and I don't know about Vargas, probably gave him a fuckin NAM and made him a first class or some shit. FTN!

I really don't know how OTH works ... but, My husband just got one for Shaving someones head! He got kicked out of the Navy for that! This is his first offence ... he got 45/45 and half of 2 months pay! I just don't get it. You would think the guy who got my husband in trouble would be the one with all this. You would think that the military would want guys to stick together! There were 7 people backing my husband up and 1 guy against him. They are saying he was hazing and harrased this guy. I just don't get it. Now my husband can't even join the Police Academy b/c of this! I'm so stressed ... we have 2 babies and I'm a stay at home mom ... Does anyone have any suggestions? He just went to Captains Mast 1 week ago and is supposed to be out of the Navy @ the end of March! Please help if you can!

Your husband will be able to get a job with an OTH Discharge. Honestly, OTH isn't that bad, unless...you want to get a government job which is out of the question with an OTH. However, if he is smart, determined, as well as motivated he can get a job doing anything he wants. The best of luck.

P.s. Fuck the Navy

I sold drugs before I came in and was even busted for it. I was turned away from the marines and army and the navy took me in and gave me a chance. Since I joined in 99, I have circled the globe three times and enjoyed nearly every day of it. I've seen many come and go, most with OTH, some honorable though. I'm now an instructor who trains aircraft mechanics. I went to XOI as a witness once and decided never to come that close to "The Man" again. It's not that damn difficult to do what you're supposed to. You don't have to be squeaky clean, just don't be a fuck up. You don't get kicked out for eating someones ceral. There's more to that story. You have absolutely no right to just shave someones head either. Don't be fucking stupid. All you with sob stories of Uncle Sam screwing you out of the good life, wake up. You screwed yourselves. I hope smoking dope and flipping burgers exceeds all your hopes and dreams for life. Best wishes. AM2 (AW) USN active for a retirement at age 39.

>I sold drugs

selling drugs is way worse than using them.

>It's not that damn difficult to do what you're supposed to.

and yet you sold drugs.

>You screwed yourselves. I hope smoking dope and flipping burgers exceeds all your hopes and dreams for life.

Have you been fed your own brain? or did you fry it using drugs?

interesting how a drug dealer can be trained to become judgemental so quickly. you get to see a lot of this sort of behavior in the navy though. it is what is expected.

>Best wishes.

was that the point of your post.

>AM2 (AW) USN active for a retirement at age 39.

Bet I can retire before the age of 30. And I got an other than honorable discharge at the age of 23. :)

Got a fun story for you. As a MM3 in Crete, I drank to much and blacked out. Got imediately sent to XOI three days later. Funny thing is, that same day I needed to take the E-5 exam. Since I blacked out I didn't remember anything and didn't want to make a statement. Well long story short I was completely lied to about being able to take my exam. I was told I was require to give a statment prior to getting my ID and if I didnt I couldn't take the test. Complete lie. I wasn't even told my charges. At XOI I learned I was facing 19 charges. Some were insane. I somehow in zip ties, Assualted and attempted to assualt the same commisioned officer. I lucked out cause the SP that brought me in was latered that night charged with public drunkiness and the O-5 didn't show up for my XOI. Since I was already in AA prior to this and at the time LL was on 5 and 5's, my shit got dropped. Only time I've ever been in trouble. Next eval, 2.83 with no mention of me as WCS, ALPO, and Supply guy. Said I embarrased 3rd class PO navy wide. HA HA!!! Next eval, sent to RXDC, 4.5 and I made Second! 572 days left. Sad part is my brother followed me in. ELT on the Corpus Christi. Bastards drove him nuts and he under pysch eval. Made Second on the same exam as me. Thanks for the web site. Ive seen too many good people eatened by the machine and spit back out.

Hey thanks for the website and the chance to vent! As are most of us here, I imagine, I hate the Navy, too. Although as AM2 so judiciously exemplified, it can take a complete loser and drug dealer, put him in a position where he will soon acquire vast delusions of grandeur, and then spit him back out into the real world for us soon-to-be-civilian types to deal with and eventually murder. If I was a washout as a decent human being from the get-go and was given a "second chance" by an organization that just wanted to use me (unbeknownst to me), yeah I'd probably like it too! But, I've tried live my life to help others, not sell them drugs, and to tell you the truth, it hurts me too much to even care about the Navy anymore. So, consequently I no longer feel the Navy deserves my best efforts. I volunteered to make a difference, not get raped by a non-skid dick...sorry.

I agree with Sean, I also volunteered to make a difference but was very disapointed to see that all we are useful for as enlisted people is to inflate the ego of those loosers who spent 20+years here and will soon be out to begin their life as taxi-drivers. Yeahhh AM2, I'm talking about you bud. Newsflash, you cant really retire on 2k a month retard. But to each his own, I gott an accounting degree while I was in, gott out six months ago at the age of 24 and make enough to buy a chief and have him mow my lawn in a ballerina dress. I'm not saying all chiefs are bad, some people just dont have much ambition in life. But dont gett mad at me for wanting to succed.

I went to Captains mast in March, due to the fact a CPO stole a laptop and planted it on me... since his word means more i got screwed... i served my 45/45 without saying a word... then my mom who has had 3 back surgeries and is on medication constantly... my brother got hit by a car a couple years back and has permanent brain damage... i went to my CO (which was the captain) and he said fuck you and fuck your family, I went to the chaplain to see about it... he told me I couldnt do anything about it and he wouldnt help me either... I hae paperwork to prove both cases... now at my new command im am being forced to go on a 2 week deployment and i cant go home to help take care of my family... waiting for a general or honorable discharge really isnt worth it... I dont know what to do... i really need help... FTN (not fun time Navy)

I was discharged from the navy just over two years ago for using/possessing steroids while deployed over seas. dumbest thing i could have ever done! well there went over 8 1/2 years of service down the drain! I was an AC2 AW/SW had everything going for me and in an instant I lost it all. I received a General under honorable conditions discharge which was actually the best they were willing to give me. I got to sell back my leave days got to keep my G.I bill and all the other benefits like va loans and all that stuff. About a year ago, I appealed my discharge to be upgraded to an honorable and it was denied. I just recently submitted a letter and supporting documents to the chief of naval personnel basically begging them to give me another chance, as per a civilian/ military lawyer who advised me that that was the first step in preparing to take legal action in regards to being reinstated back in the navy and or at the very least have my re-4 code changed so i can at least get in to another branch to finish my time. the lawyer is very reputable, search military lawyers and click on mccormack and associates. well this is my last attempt to back door the navy to somehow get back those almost nine years i put in. Im so ashamed for what i did. it is so true, you dont really appreciate what you have until its gone!!

quit your fucking wining. you get out what you put in. just make the right de-fucking-cisions.
MA2

>quit your fucking wining.

did you mean whining or winning?
I am not going to stop being a winner.

>you get out what you put in.

or often much less.

>just make the right de-fucking-cisions.

people like you with the simple - and yet stupid - advice are a large part of what makes the military such a bad place.

Hey jon. This is PN3 McQuillin. The guy who got 15/15 for being UA while you got your stupid ass kicked out for fruit loops.

You as well as I know that you got kicked out because you told the Captain at Mast that you didn't want to be in the Navy. I'd have kicked your ass out too if you told me that.

And it wasnt for only eating his fruit loops. It was for doing it repeatedly after being asked not to. It's sad enough that you got kicked out for that but now your out in the civilian world lying to people about it and whining like you wanted to be in the Navy in the first place.

Quit fucking wasting your breath and our time and do something productive with your life besides stealing fruit loops.

that is confirmation folks, you can get kicked out for eating Fruit Loops.

a guy on our boat stole a ton of cigarettes but they didn't even really punish him because he had a family.

a damn shame my command ignored me when I told them I would rather sell my body fluids than reenlist in THEIR Navy (and I said that at my career review board when I was getting high eval scores that the command later had to lose or destroy when I later got in trouble).

in usmc 1994 out 1996. oth for not studying for whiz quiz. 4.9, 4.9 pro and con. expert rifle, always first class pft. was promised tank mechanic and pfc. for college credits earned. contract ripped up at meps the day of departure, was told you are gonna be 0311 infantry and private, see ya!! went to p.i., got meritoriuos promoted to pfc out of boot, school at nc, fleet duty, kicked butt in fmf, everyone behind me, including our plt. cmdr. who i had to help not to drop on our pft runs!!!
weird though, 1/2 hr. after quiz, called to bhq w/ one fellow grunt, told cant read initials on top of spec. jar.(they were clear as day!!) peeled off tape, was told no more tape, was sent to saco to get more, leaving specimen untaped and out of my sight. not denying playing on the weekends on liberty, NEVER ON DUTY, but seemed out of the norm, and probably illegal.
anyway, 30 days in brig, pay forfiture, and ticket home, was harassed after my company pumped out and was dropped into new co. stood duty 8 hrs. on, 6hrs off for months!!!
i was company radio man, next to my co, (capt.) in the field, well liked, after my co. left, i was treated much worse than you would get in prison, i sucked it up, it took almost 6 months for them to process me out.
just to say, i love the corps. values, and the corps., what it stands for is pure and good, the people , some of them anyway, are nothing of the sort. ive seen more shitbirds pass through the cracks, and guys like me get the shaft, when guys like me are what you want in a marine, some balls!!!
anyway, to this day, i wish a different report card, no matter, my level of service is reflected in my meritorius promotion, my rifle score, my pft's, never dropping a run or hump, etc... thats mine, no one can say different, by the way my medical records dissapeared, the navy doc. said in 21 yrs., never seen that, asked if i had enemies ?!?
anyway, once a marine, always a marine, i enjoy for life the discipline and attention to detail that was brought out in me, just to say, i heard the same, you wont even get a job at mcdonalds, you cant even vote!!!
i make 70 grand a year, have a great wife, beautiful daughter, own our house, fat harley, probably would have taken me a lifetime of service work to get half of what i have.
my advice to anyone asking about oth's and civilian employment, GET A TRADE, GET GREAT AT IT,) you are on your own doing work people appreciate, not in a corporate shark tank, there is life after your discharge, no matter what discharge, i would have returned to what i did, and now do, learning and improving every grateful day!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry so long winded, thanks aaron for letting me get this off my chest!!!!

Hey, I hate the navy too, I aint going to lie. Im 300 miles from home and my senior chief is an ass. But all I can say is you joined the fucking navy. Shit! We all signed the same contract that said we were up to dealing with all the bullshit that comes with it. I mean Ive been counceled 3 times on being late yet, certain first classes come rolling in at about 745 and thats all fine and dandy. But I dont whine about it. Im not the greatest with words but seriously, suck it up and deal with it.
PR3

All of you people that say "suck it up" are the reason the military is such a piece of shit. If any of you know how to read, then read Charles Dickins "A tale of two cities" its about how the opressed overthrow the establishment only to become the opressors. Now when I was in the Navy I didnt have the chance to make a difference, I'm not pretending to be squared away, I wasnt. I did my job every day and I was damned good at it, but I didnt iron very well..and when push comes to shove looking good is far more important in todays political military than doing good. The moral of this little story is, KEEP WHINING! YES! Bitch and bitch and bitch, and NEVER stop. They can tell you what to do, but they can NEVER make you shut up about it. I got kicked out with a General under Honorable discharge, RE-4...no harm, no foul, and now when this war blows into a global conflict, I cant be drafted...look what bitching got me, a perfect-10 girlfriend, a 60,000 a year job where people work for ME and I dont pain decks and scrub heads. I drive a chevy suburban, and live in a nice neighborhood. With the remaining time on my contract (1 year, 10 months) I ALMOST finished my bachelors degree, which i finished in just under 3 years...and now look at me, a success, all without the NAVY..so keep bitching friends, and with half the work you put into the Navy, you will be a success in the REAL WORLD.
-FTN- Your friend, Seaman Mak.

the navy honor courage commitment bullshit notion nuthing more than 3 words its full of racism descrimination so much more i dunt even wanna talk about but remember your gonna hate alot of people you work with but just remember the ones you do work with fuck gunghos fuckers fuck the cmc and especiall y fuck the navy peace

I hate the Navy because I know how good it could be. How good I could be too. I see mediocrity in almost everything. From the billions of dollars wasted on contracts for technology that reeks of obsolescence to the advancement system which is not based on the merits of a sailor.

It is completely obvious to me that the leadership of the navy is lost. Leaders understand people and their motivations, desires, shortcomings, and strengths. Today’s navy doesn’t understand people and doesn’t know how to capitalize on one’s strengths and inspire one to strive to overcome shortcomings.

If your like me and belive in yourself, then the Navy isnt for you. If you like getting kick around like you're 5 years old for 4 years then go Navy. Or if you're a loser drug dealer like kevin, then you'll fit right in as a LPO. If you hate the navy like I do just go UA for a while. Do what ever it takes to move on to a happier life. You only live once right?
You can make it in the civilian life. The crappy Navy WILL make you a stronger person if anything. If you can put up with the hell for a while you can do anything. Dont be afraid of the civilian world. It's not scary like the Navy wants you to think. Dont let the Navy brain wash you into thinking you can't do better. OTH just means you can't get a government job, but who wants that after this Navy crap?
I went to DRB plenty. My MCPO told me the navy is the best job I'll ever have. I couldn't stop laughing. Ever DRB I went to was the same thing. They'll try to degrade you to dirt hopping you will brake down. Dont let them fool you. You all can make it outside the Navy if you believe in yourself.
I can tell you a Million reason to leave the Navy, but I couldn't tell you 5 good reasons to stay in. Its just not for people like me. The navy is filled with the dirt bags of the US. I like to think of the navy as a mixure of High school, and prison. It really is when you think about it. I got ALL my things stolen 3 times! Broke my locks, and everhing. I've seen fights, and been in them as well. I've caught Senoir chiefs having sex with there AN, and SN. I've seen it all. Believe my when I tell you. Most of you know what Im talking about.
Im not saying I mister Inovcent over here. I did some things. I got a little angry at higher ups from time to time. I got caught having sex with a girl in a fan room by my MC. You have to do what you have to do right? You try felling like you're dead for 4 years, before you judge me! I had it worse than the most of you, and thats no lie. I've seen so many things.... Ha ha! I guess I can only laugh about it now. I wish you guys could've been in my shoes as a AN with no rate on an Aircraft carrier. We've all gone incane at one point! RIGHT SHIP MATES!?
Remember guys, Dont ever lose faith in yourself. Those Navy bastards cant ever take us down. We're made to strong. You're better than them! Don't let the navy get to you! Never forget who you are, and what you believe in! Fight for what is right! Stand up for yourself! If you dont then you've dishonored yourself, and you belong in the Navy.

Oh Yeah, If anyone wants to dispute any of what I said, I would be more than happy to shut you up with a wicked blast to your pride. Cause I know what the FUCK!.... I'm tlaking about.

You know, I have been out of the Navy for almost 19 years now and I never regretted joining, just not staying in.
Do I make alot more in civilian life? Yes I do.
I probably would have been much worse off finacially had I stayed.
I was 17 when I went to boot. What I didn't know was I wasn't ready to handle the stress of being on a ship, ect. No excuses but I recieved an RE-4 OTH discharge for bad conduct. I still went on to a great career and a wonderful family, but after all this time I wish I had finished what I started. It isn't about money, or career. It's all about pride and duty. I had niether back then, unfortunately. From the things I am reading on this site most of you have no sense of pride or duty. Do not badmouth the Navy because you couldn't hack it. Badmouth the one person responsible...you.
I was responsible for my own actions. I do regret not doing my full tour. I DO NOT blame the Navy.
Have some self-respect and stop blaming the Navy for your own shortcomings.

Old Hull-Tech

join the national guard and reclaim your pride by going to Iraq Ken

I found this site on accident, what a gift! Since Im here, Id be happy to impress upon you all what I think about the Navy. The only reason I dont regret joining is because its nice to know how good my life can be outside it, and when the time comes to leave the Navy forever, I will be a happier man for it. Who knew the little things were so important? And the option to do what you please is so taken for granted? I didnt until I joined, and now I cant wait to be free again. Yes, the Navy is a prison, and many of the enlistees are prisoners of their own need for financial security. Some even blind themselves from they were born to do, and "suck it up" with open arms to save themselves from decisions in the real world. You may think that those who hate the Navy are "whining", well your right, but the inportant thing is what am I doing to end the reasons I have to whine? Im moving on to something far greater than the Navy; its called "A real job." Im not saying I dont appreciate the members, how could I not after dealing with the bullcrap for 5 years? All im saying is, do you time, if you must and dont freaking reenlist, because for every year you do, you're deleting years of happiness.

Well, I see my advice was unappreciated. By the way, just to point out how unabashedly (look it up) ignorant you buffoons really are, I CAN'T join the gaurd and go to Iraq, I got an RE-4 re-enlistment code. For those crayon-eaters out there, that means NOT RECOMMENDED FOR RE-ENLISTMENT. If I could I would.
I wonder, Jay or Aaron, would you have the sack to defend your country or do you hate it too?

Seems to me your the one talking a bunch of shit and yet still maintaining a no can do attitude Ken.

Fix yourself first.

I am certain if I actually wanted to be in the military I could be. The desire is... just. not. there.

WOW, amazing! I knew (and know)people that hate the service but this is insane. Well I guess you have to hate something. I do have to agree withsome comments, like leadership is lost. Actually, I think it's lost on the old crusty khakis who may be too old to get out of thier own way. Some are too hung up on the "old school" views and now too old to be taught new ideas. Young leaders have fresher ideas, keener insight and more energy to give.... and all you guys who the Navy screwed, sorry. I've seen it plenty. Good guys gone down bad, bad guys that never get caught, and a bureaucracy that doesn't seem to give a shit. Good luck to you out there. We'll keep fighting the war for you....( fruit loops, that one just slays me!!!)

Jay, Jay, Jay. How sad. You are truly lost.

Half of the comments are incomprehensible, but nonetheless, the overall point that the Navy sucks rings true. I just wanted to say that, Ken, you apparently got out in 1987, or sometime in the late 80s, I would have to assume.

Unfortunately, you're in a position where your frame of reference about the Navy is completely wrong (which is a polite way of saying, 'you don't know what you're talking about.'), because the Navy has changed COMPLETELY since then, as has the entire military.

At least in the 80's, there was a specific mission for the Navy; they fought the Soviets on the high seas, defending America, and all that...But now? Here we are, with the country in the middle of an HONEST TO GOD SHOOTING WAR in Iraq, and what is the Navy doing?

They're trying to find ways to con more money out of Congress for grossly overpriced and obsolete nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, reconaissance planes...as the brass abuses their sailors to help them make their "sales pitches".

What few sailors that have been over in Iraq, are getting ridiculed by "the Big Navy", because God forbid, they weren't in the "Real Navy" on its oh-so-damn important ships and submarines...the crewmembers of two cruisers who suffered all of one mortar round being fired at them that missed by all of 1500 yards get the Combat Action Ribbon, yet the HN's, Seabees, and many, many others don't get the same, even though there were actually under threat of death?

I use this example as one of MANY incidents that serves to create a contrast between today's Navy, which is anything but the idyllic world you seem to think it is, and the over-politicized, engorged bureacratic mess that it is today.

I'm honestly sorry that you received an RE-4 and as such, are no longer allowed to serve in the armed forces. But that just serves to illustrate my point, not only did the Navy screw you while you were in, they've screwed you out of following a LIFE'S ambition...FOREVER.

And you know what? You're hardly the only one.

Yay...

Jay,

You talk about having the guts and balls to show the Navy how smart you are by running away. I feel sorry for your pathetic life. Why don't you grow a set, become a man, and finish your contract. Get out, make a trillion dollars, and tell the world the Navy sucks. First thing you must do is get an education and learn to read and write. I hope you don't honestly think you are oppressed by the man. Especially since most of the CPO, leaders in your chain of command are over priced baby-sitters for you. Get back to your command so we can kick your dumb ass out...I have a feeling that your were a dumb little asshole long before you joined the Navy. Probably got it from when you were sucking on your Daddy while your mother watched or did they kill themselves because they discovered what they actually brought into this world...A Pathetic LOSER!

fuck navy navy is bad navy nooo

Well you volenteered
I am a volenteer not a slave I yell back at them
and I for one wont give up my birthrights as a freeborn man

i got std from navahoe

fuck the double stantard navy and the army.
they roast your ass and then they want praise.
what a bunch of dumb fucks

Hey Jay, D again. Things going great over here on the war-front, no real big complaints. Actually the NAV has been pretty good to me, but it's still their world. Anyway, to the point. I don't mean any disrespect and it seems like you been through some shit (I really enjoy reading these stories, it's great stuff). But it sounds like the NAV is still getting the best of you. You invest a whole lot of time and energy expressing your hatred and distrust for the NAV, and maybe you have the extra time so it's no big deal. You don't have to carry it around with you anymore. You're done with them, maybe it's time you let it go. There's enough hate to go around already, and we know all about how the NAV is. It just seems like you can focus all of that energy on something a bit more productive. I'm not trying to tell you how to live by no means. You're a grown man and you sound like an intelligent person. I'm sure you're doing fine, but no one should have to walk around with so much anger. On the other hand, if your mission to spread the word isn't complete yet, then fuck everything I just said and carry on. Good luck.
-D

To whom it may concern:
I separated from the "World's Finest" Navy after 4 and 1/2 miserable years. Now, before any of you lifers start to give me the "Well, son you really scewed up by getting out, I should know because I'm an expert about everything because I've been so far removed from reality for twenty years" speech, save it. I probably had a better run in the Navy than most of you senior enlisted types. As for you fruit loop eating shitbags, don't think I'm in your shoes either because for the most part I kept my mouth shut when some overweight chiefy chief was showing how ignorant he could really be- at my expense. I got a few jabs in when I could but I signed the paper and was determined to get as much intrinsic value out of the service as I could because if we will all be honest with ourselves, very few of us learned a viable trade in the Navy. I made second class in three years from being an undesignated seaman, got a couple of NAM's(o.k. you can stop applauding), had dinner with Donald Rumsfeld, got out with an honorable discharge and got to see some amazing places. Was it worth it? I'm not sure. For the most part, I hated every minute of it. The day to day administration was beyond a cluster fuck, mainly because of the shortcomings of the senior enlisted community. I was on the U.S.S. Blue Ridge, enough said. However, I did meet some very good people, I had two C.O's that were outstanding men and a credit to any organization that they might be a part of. As for now, I am living out my dream of attending Auburn University, despite an XO and countless chiefy chiefs who told me that I would never get to this point. I am a Finance/Logistics major (I'm thinking of Logistics exclusively next semester) with ambitions of going to Law School in 2008. I don't make a lot of money like some of you OTH guys because I'm a full time student (I also manage a small restaurant) and pretty much live on the G.I. Bill. Anyway, the point of all this is that I get to act like an adult, have some control over my future, and best of all I don't have to sleep in a rack!

-WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!!!

P.S. "Sweepers, sweepers, man your brooms, give the ship a clean sweep down fore and aft, sweep down all lowerdecks, ladderwells and passageways, take all trash to receptacles provide on the pier. Now sweepers"

"Free at last, free at last....."

Shit, by the shit i read i'm havin 2nd thought of joinin..i got a lil too much pride for that shit
QM2 was sayin just about the sweepin!..is it really that bad?..i'm supposed to go in May and im taking my asvad or however you spell that shit in two weeks when my piss is clean..i knew it wasn't gonna be all dandy candy but i didnt know the navy had this many low key drama stories and complaints behind it..that shit iz wild

oh yea a jay..lol thiz might sound crazy but your story iz kinda makin me wanna go..i don't know I think im a little crazy or somethin but your stories are tight ass fuck limh (laffin in my head) i can see it all so vividly...specially the Navy slut

Sho-nuff,

Do not go!!!!!

Jay, props to you on some great fiction. Brings back memories. Did any of you guys ever go to the Blue Ridge or make it to Yokosuka?

Once again,
War Damn Eagle!!!!!!!!!

Gentlemen, (and I use that term loosely) I would like to share with you a non-fiction Navy tale of adventure on the high seas. While serving aboard the U.S.S. Blue Ridge a.k.a. Cell Block 19, I had the extreme misfortune of making the acquaintance of a BMCS we will call Senior Chief D. Now, Senior D. was about the biggest asshole that ever shit between two shoes. You know the type, "Hey, shipmate", he would stutter, "What color socks you wearing?", "What part of muster on the aft port sponson don't you understand, numb nuts?" -you get the picture. Anyway, when I returned to Japan after my first deployment I noticed many families on the pier being reunited with their sailors. One reunion in particular struck me as very touching because there was a woman showing a new born baby to her husband who was an ICC, we'll call him Chief M. This was the first time that Chief M. had seen his new born daughter. Very touching, indeed. Now, fast forward about two and a half years to Senior D.'s arrival onboard the Blue Ridge. Senior D. went about deck department making enemies wherever he could, ruining careers, and making a general nuisance of himself. Of course, Senior D. was a super duper squared away chiefy chief, a senior chiefy chief no doubt. Well, Senior D. had been on shore duty in Yokosuka before checking aboard the Old Blue to make everyone's life miserable. He had been the LCPO of Port Ops right across the pier from the Blue Ridge. Months passed with Senior D. on his one man crusade to square every junior sailor away by sending them to mast for asinine reasons. Until one day Chief M.'s wife spilled the beans that while he was away on deployment, Senior D. had been warming his feet up at their house and in fact, the new born baby on the pier actually belonged to Senior D. So much for super squared away chiefy chief. He had 24 years in and the command made him retire when the news got out. Last I heard he was living in Japan with one of the junior enlisted girls in his old department. What a pimp! He still used to come to the pier to smoke after he retired and yell at folks for wearing white socks, or not having their covers two inches above their brow. Man, I miss the Navy.

Once more for good measure,
WAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR EAGLE!!!!!!!!

im going up to mast for being 15 minutes late for liberity experiation and my lpo is the one whole told me 0700, not 0600. aint that a load of shit. now i have no idea what im going to do with my 6 month old while im on restriction.

lol

I still have a year in my contract. I wanna get out now. What can I do to fast without loosing the GI bill and all those things?.....any suggestions....I mean fast. Shall I go UA for 3 weeks and turn myself in another command?.....will they sent me back to my old command??....anybody knows???>..
Monsieur.

Aaron, as a former nuke yourself, you'll appreciate this story. I'm an M div mechanic, none of the shiny pipe stuff. Basically I don't work with any of the reactor stuff despite being require to know all the shit. Well not surprisingly, none of the officers fell the need to learn our systems well at all. I just got done with a DRB and another XOI for "malicious intent in following a lawful order". Basically I got a screwed up order from a commander, tried to correct him, got very billigerent with him, and then decided to say fuck it and let this moron pump oily water over the sponson in Norfolk. Well, one $10,000 fine later for the CO, I get blamed. It was completely comical since the chain of command was trying to punish me, make me an example, yet keep it completely under raps from anyone outside of my division from finding out. So my career, the last five months of it, got saved so a commander wouldn't look like the complete idiot that he is. I got to give training to the dept on the importance of open and proper communication between supervisors and the higher ups. Hard to believe I've only wasted the last 5 and a half years already. Thanks for the site man, it;s awesome.

hey jay how you getting kicked? out i might wanna try it. man does anyone wake-up in the morning and feel the need to kill themselves, cause i know i do but it makes me feel like a little pussy when i think of such things, well best of luck jay
ohh and i hope i get out for medical or pysch i dont fucking care as long as im out for good i hate this fucking navy

Ok,
After reading what you guys have wrote I don't feel so bad. I enlist right out of high school my jr year I had some college credits and the navy welcomed me with open arms. I enlisted as a RM on the Uss Dubuque out of sasebo. After working my ass off for a year and showing everyone that I would complete my dreams of being a diver "Bam" I got into a fight just like that. It happened to be with one of the capt's boys. So after a small stay in ccu in yokouca and a ass kicken by the EOD boys less than a mile down the road. I became interested in being a seal. Just a little background my fathers is a mainer Wo2, I grew up shooting swiming and hiking. Isn't nothing to me to run until I pass out matter of fact I been doing it my whole life. So I took the buds test and completed my warning order "PASSED" WTF. I was a little scared but half way done then "Bam" I was taking out of TPU and placed back on ship. My RM1 "KIRK" thats right I said your fucking name "Kirk" didn't like me ya I kicked your boys ass and had to be pulled off by four guys ya. Anyway I was discharge for having a silver dollar size stain on my shirt. Ya after 3yrs and perfert evals "Bam" kiss my ass.

I just stumbled across this while being pissed off and typing the usual Fuck The Navy in the search engine. And to that statement I'll stick. I have reached rock bottom in this disgrace of a place. I spend every waking moment (and occasional nightmares) miserable and just feel like shutting down completely to let time pass by. Been sent to medical TWICE for suicide attempt and suicidal tendencies many times - they wont even file a fucking SITREP or so much as acknowledge me. Shows how much they care - my anger at them will keep me alive now; can't let them beat me, have to stay alive now or they win.

I nearly get in fights every day, I can't so much as walk down the damn p-way without someone starting shit with me. That's their entertainment I'm told - normal behavior. I should "ignore it" because it's okay.

I'm sick of their fucking witch hunts. I'm sick of being their scapegoat for everything. I'm sick of being nothing more than a tool. I'm sick of the threats. Sick of the ill unhumane treatment. And I'm sick of being sick and not being able to get treatment.

You know what really sucks? I've only been in 3 years. I have 3 more to go. Every day is worse than the previous one. I am even in a technical rate with special NECs and great marks all the way through bootcamp and A schools, and my C schools. But you know what? NONE OF THAT MATTERS. The only things that count for you are things that fuck up. You only get credit for stuff you do wrong - anything you do right is ignored completely.

I couldn't even say everything I want to in this little box - I would have to write a multi-volume book set. It's that bad. What a waste of my life.

If there is ANYONE out there reading this that IS THINKING about joined the military - DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING DO IT. AND IF YOU DO AFTER READING THIS SHIT - then you DESERVE this hell that we've went through.

I've got about an hour and a half to report in to my new duty station. I've been in two years, and have no desire to continue staying in. I just don't give a shit about my job. IMHO, it would be more detrimental to the navy for someone to stay in who didn't give a shit than for someone to not stay in. they can keep their fucking benefits, You only live so long and no amount of money is worth being free.

Well.
Now I'm UA. I've never been in any major shit that didn't blow over before, but I don't want to go back.
Some advice, or assistance would be greatly appreciated here folks, I'm stuck in a strange city in a strange state, what the fuck do I do?
I've got to be out of this hotel by noon today, soooo....
Somebody help.

Sea Lawyers! Don't listen get a real one.

Hey LP do your thing man. Jay your the shit. U remind me of my buddies who are the only good things that came out of this navy Bullshit.
I've read pretty much every post here. My position FTN!!! I did my six honorably but hated every fucking moment. I wasn't perfect but i did my fucking job. Old retirees need 2 know that its not the same navy. Its filled with a bunch of pussies who can't see past their navy. Some people on here have been talking about stop bitching but that would mean we are face down on the ground. Even on my last days, where u request to use your leave days, they gave me shit. They caused me to lose money. My BAH was stopped for not having the paperwork on record. How the hell was it started if i never had the paperwork? well they lost my shit and i gave them a copy i had (thank god). And true to form now that i'm out 4 months later i still haven't seen those 3000 bucks. Fuck PNs and DKs. If i ever lost shit like that in my rate (FC-CIWS) i'd go to mast like nothing. They r always quick to take your money but slow as fuck to give it back.
And don't get me started on HMs who think using your id card will prevent u from dying from a open chest wound. I've paid out of pocket to go to private doctors instead of going to the navy shit.
Oh and Jay sorry but that 10 step UA stuff is the hard way. Its an option but the medical way is always best. Just start acting crazy. Its the best way i think...better than writting to congress. Theres others like faking an illness (back problems are best b/c there's no way of measuring that). But its persistance that counts when trying to get out medically. LP i suggest that if u decide to go back tell them that u were hearing voices from under your rack or some shit. Just something so ridiculous that u look unfit for "mission purposes." If your family has a history of anything like this that helps alot too. Also u can claim that u were drunk or of "unsound" mind when u signed your contract. that would make it null....and that's a legal fact.
Alot of these turds who have posted pro-navy shit need to check to see if they have a hand up their ass. fucking puppets. The navy is full of people like me but higher ups. Most but not all chiefs are selfindulgent assholes who look out for their own careers at the expense of others. MMs BMs u guys are the shit. U may have it hard but at least your rate ain't as political as the others. Expect to hear more from me more.
And now for the FUCK YOUs:
fuck u FC1 Hay
- i know about u denying that Kat had your kid fucking deadbeat
fuck u FC2King
you treated me like shit for no reason. massive PMS
fuck u FCC Tim......gallihugh
i got a bunch of shit to say about u. thanx for asking about how my kid was just before u sent me cranking u fuck. what was that all about? I hated being an FC dick. I loved being down in the pit when u sent me...no lie cuz they don't work with pussies.
fuck u FCCS Gregory for fucking me on my last week. You were too fucking stupid to comprehend what i was trying to do with my seperation leave and ended up costing me money. Your too stupid to realize that u have the best guys working for u at minimal capacity b/c your a dumbass. the only fag that can give me a counseling chit for an incident that happened at the shop while i was out on watch...idiot.
I never ended up going to a Westpac u faggots.

Shit, Jay such a cheerful pep talk. (thats sarcasm folks). And for a guy with no common sense, I've managed to cross fifteen states in the past five days, have eight grand in the bank account currently, (and I live cheap.I can stretch it for a good bit..) And have managed to contact a shitload of AWOL/ UA sanctuary/assistance groups.
You'd be surprised what you can do once your brain wakes up from the Navy, and starts running again.
Anyways, anyone who decides to go UA, and reads this, you can do it. Contact the gi rights hotline, or type in AWOL in google and hunt through the links for phone numbers and addresses. YOU CAN DO IT.
nother word of advice, they'll check airports after thirty days, but Amtrack is cheap, and way better than the bus...
Good luck one and all, remember, its your life. Fuck the navy.

jay i agree

fuck the stennis

fuck combat systems

fuck adp and fuck the its

peace bitches im out

uh god tpu. seasoned vet 2 years. Not to mention like 6 months of sima. that's right. signed up for 6 did only 1.5 of sea. no westpacs. Finally feels good to get one over on them. what spawned all this luck...1- i told them i wasn't going to japan 2- it was simply luck 3- last but not least persistance and patience like jay said
fuck ADP? soundz like an IT to me. Hey mikey if u are would u know how to break into someone's hotmail account? I'm in school right now trying to finish what i started. I still feel like something is owed to me b/c i served..i dunno y. but i do know that one second i'm 20 and the next i'm 26 attending class with 18 yr olds. not frontin on the 18 yr olds i'm just talking about the age difference. Is is wrong to be getting boners while in class checking out the slutty dressed girl that is 8 years younger than me? Well guess what that's a rhetorical question and i don't give a fuck. Oh and if any of u guys reading this are in San D. if your an e-4 with 4 years u can apply for BAH using a tijuana address. Why would u want to do that? well its still san d. bah but with tj rent prices (about $250). but like i said u can always say u are but beware that supposedly they investigate that shit.
Later,
M.

You lucky bastard.

ok, here's some advice for those of you who go UA. In my situation, returning home isn't an option due to my patriotic as fuck family,(they'd turn me in like lightning). Due to the fact that most of my friends are either still in the navy, or have dispersed since I joined. So basically, i'm relying on my own wits and resources here.
If you find yourself in this situation, for whatever reason, don't turn yourself back in. Don't puss out at this point, because you've already gone this far, so keep going! You're going to get put on restriction, or fucked in some other way, without accomplishing shit, if you go back at this point. Once your'e gone, stay gone 180 days, then stroll into the nearest navy activity and turn your happy ass in. I'm also hearing about how you can get a discharge via the telephone, but I don't know the specifics on that one. Anyways...
Advice time.
1. If you go UA in the winter, it may be cold in New England, but from September to May, you can get a motel room cheap as shit, in any of those little sea side vacation towns.
2. If you do end up relaxed and safe in a motel room somewhere, DO NOT get comfortable. You aren't on vacation. The longer you stay in one place, the more people notice you. And stupid shit, will happen, like the guy in the room next to you happens to be from your last base and just got out last year, and he loves talking all about the Navy. It happens. Trust me. The guy never shuts up.
3. I'll say it again, DO NOT get comfortable.
4. Travel light.
5. Be prepared to hop the border to Canada, if you start getting paranoid. That means save up your money before hand, live like a fucking hermit. You're in the navy, what the fuck are you spending money on? You don't have a life, you live on a fucking boat.
6. Cigarrettes. Buy a carton before you go.
7.Maybe get a passport. Just in case.
8. Despite what your paranoid brain is saying, they're not combing the countryside looking for you, they'll wait for you to fuck up: get a traffic stop, call someone, do something fucking RETARDED and show up on the grid. However..
9. On the other hand don't kid yourself that no one noticed you gone. Somewhere, there is a muster report with your name on it. They'll notice at some point.
10.Amtrak is your friend. The airports are not. And Grayhound hates you. They don't check trains, after thirty days they do check airports, and if you took a bus, and dipped it in a puddle of human vomit, then took all the retarded, mean kids from the fourth grade that you knew and put them on a bus, and sat it in the middle of the sahara dessert with no air conditioning or deodarant, and put the rudest, laziest drivers in charge, you have gray hound bus line.
11. GI rights hotline. I don't know the number off the top of my head, but if you can read this, you obviously have internet, so look the damned thing up on yahoo.
and finally..
12. This last one, is what you should do to help the cause. Once you're UA, post here, or somewhere on line, and offer advice and ideas on how to do it... Help the next happy asshole that gets tired of the bull shit, and wanders off in search of all that "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" that we've fucking earned.
OK ladies and gentlemen, Peace out, ftn, and remember this. Once you realize you can do anything no one can stop you.
Later all..

jay not childish at all. wish i had the nads to do the same after i left but didn't b/c knowing my luck i'll run to some fag who's on his high horse. LP going into hiding is a lil too much for me i hope u mean it for just the 180 day period or whatever. For those based out of san diego mexico is your friend. It may look shitty but in truth there are some really good spots to live at. My rent is 250 and its a pretty decent 2 bedroom place. Plus if your under 21 its good to drink your worries away. Cross through OTAY border never san ysidro. they never look through OTAY. if u guys need help with it let me know.
But in all honesty if i ever had serious intentions to get out i'd do it pissing them off. Fuck chain of command. write your captain and the rest of your chain of command at the same time (so u can claim u informed everyone like they love)with your complaints. it may sound pussy but the old man hardly ever knows what goes on under him. If u guys haven't noticed every time a complaint goes up it gets filtered and your message gets lost. Jay this goes for u. At least for the unfortunate guys u left behind u should write something.
Fuck TPU
Fuck the peleliu
fuck the valley forge (sunk)
fuck midddle of the ear
fuck doing my rack
fuck shaving
fuck the food
fuck great lakes
fuck USO
fuck navy times
fuck recruiters
fuck my going by last names
fuck my bacteria infested boots
fuck fox tails
fuck field days
fuck swabs
fuck blow downs
fuck AOs
fuck painting
fuck needle gunning
fuck fuck fuck the navy

Fuckin field days. that shit was so fuckin pointless.. Honestly, I can't be too mad at the recruiters, cause they're just doing their jobs, and I can honestly respect a man that's got the balls to lie his ass off and look you dead in the fucking eye, and you still sign up.
That's a fucking skill right there...
Ya, i just meant the 180 days UA..
I tossed all my navy shit in a dumpster in florida before i left. So if they do catch me, I guess i'm going to mast naked. :D
Fuck it.
Good Luck Mauritz A, and Jay same to you.
I'm about to cross the border sometime this week, if i don't put out an update in the next week or two it means they got me, or i'm living in a fucking tent somewhere in the woods.:P
Later Yo.

I pulled all Jay's comments. I do not think it is appropriate to have comments where you state you are going to rape someone's children.

Those types of comments are NOT welcome here.

but half of our comments don't make sense now.
oh well, fuck it.
In five days, i'll have been UA for a month. I don't even feel like i'm in the navy anymore...
take it easy folks.